Episode 5

Salvation

🎙️ The Notes I Leave: Salvation

Total Time: ~30 minutes

Format: 1/2 public + 1/2 members-only

🕊️ INTRO

Shalom, and grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Welcome to The Notes I Leave podcast.

The Hebrew word “shalom” signifies more than mere peace; it signifies wholeness, completeness, well-being, harmony with God and others. All of which, I wish for you.

The purpose of this podcast is to share the diverse experiences I encounter as a professor, teacher, entrepreneur, student, father, son, brother, and follower of Christ Jesus. These notes are intended for you, now and in the future.

📖 MAIN MESSAGE

📜 This week’s theme:

In this episode, I discuss the most important message of all in the message of salvation through the Gospel.

📜 Anchor verse(s):

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls. 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look. 13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16 because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.”

1 Peter 1:3-16, New American Standard Bible, 1995

📜 Application or takeaway:

The Lord has placed on my heart the good new Jesus Christ brings to us. Let us not dwell in negativity. Truly nothing is bad news when we have received salvation from the King of Kings!

🙏 TRANSITION TO MEMBERS

That is the heart of what the Lord laid on me this week—but for those of you walking this journey further with me, there is a deeper side I want to share; in the members-only section, I’ll be opening up about how this career change challenged me as a father and a disciple.

But first, I would like to leave you with a quote and question.

📚 Quote:

“When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”

—Mark Twain

☕️ Question:

How can we be more positive and additive to the walk our brothers and sisters are enduring?

📞 Call to action:

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🕯️ PRAYER AND BLESSING

Father, thank You for guiding us—even when the path is not clear to us. Teach us to walk in humility, trust, and obedience.

Until next time, may the peace of Christ dwell richly in you and may I express ‘maranatha,’ which is an Aramaic word translating to “Come, Lord Jesus.”

Transcript
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Shalom, grace and peace.

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In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

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My name is Daniel Miller and this is the Notes I Leave podcast.

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Well hello and greetings to you my friend.

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Today I want to follow up our previous episode with you could

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consider it a part B version of the episode, but I'm going to

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title this one Salvation because so much of what I want to continue

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talking about in terms of negativity that I've experienced in

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my life and currently experience in my life is used as a tactic

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of the evil one to question my salvation.

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And I suspect it question it causes other Christians to question

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their salvation as well.

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And so as we recall back to the previous episode, we talked about

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the gospel and I really wanted to emphasize the good news of Jesus Christ.

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The fact that we are all apart from the Lord in our sinful nature

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in and one sin separates us from the Deity of God and damns us to hell.

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With that being said, we have no path through the law back to God.

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And so Christ had to come in the flesh to give us an example of

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what a perfect life look like, pay a price that he shouldn't have

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had to have paid for all of us past, present and future and all

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of our sin past, present and future so that we can be justified.

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And I mentioned last episode just as if I hadn't sinned

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to have access to God in eternity.

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And that's where we take the bad news that we all know that is

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often not portrayed well in churches.

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Realize the good news.

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The good news through a lens of our need for salvation, need for

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a savior, which also isn't often presented well in churches.

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To commit our lives to Christ and reach that period of salvation.

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Salvation is a dividing topic.

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Some believe once saved, always saved.

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Some people believe you can lose your salvation.

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I don't think that that's clearly outlined in scripture, but I

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personally believe that once you're truly saved, you're always saved.

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As a quick rundown of the nuances, someone that perhaps is in

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my camp, if they see someone in church all of a sudden turn away

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from the faith, they would state that that person was never saved

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to begin with and that they were an actor.

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Those that believe that you can lose your salvation would cite

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that as evidence of someone losing their salvation.

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I don't think it's worth dividing over.

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Each person has their own personal experience with the Lord.

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That doesn't mean personal truth.

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God is truth and that's it. Period.

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End of story.

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But we all have our personal relationship, not religion, relationship with God.

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And that intimate relationship.

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We know our heart.

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He knows our heart.

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No one else does.

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And so although I can protect myself in life by observing the

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fruits that other Christians produce, it is not my job as judge.

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And my name reminds me of that.

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Daniel means God is my judge.

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It is not my role to judge others in whether they are saved or

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not saved or they've lost their salvation.

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It is every experience in my life to use it as a reflective mirror,

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a lens back on myself to make sure that I'm removing the log from

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my own eye.

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And so I'm.

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I'm titling this salvation because if you think of the last episode

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as the gospel, and I pray that that sits well with people.

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Well, in a sense that it causes them to act and seek discipleship

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and give their life to Christ and become believers.

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But a lot of religions will focus on conversion and that's it.

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And that's completely inaccurate.

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Jesus didn't tell us to do that.

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In the end of Matthew, in verse, in chapter 28, at the end of

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Matthew 28, he said, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.

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And what discipleship is is coming alongside someone, meeting

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them where they're at, and teaching them about Jesus and teaching

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them about God's Word.

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I just spoke with a man earlier in church today has been discipling

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a dear friend for 10 years.

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That doesn't happen often.

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Normally we convert, normally we disciple for a few months.

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But 10 years, that's incredible.

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And so again, I want to title this salvation because some of the

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things I'm going to talk about, they really pertain to those early

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years of being a Christian, the first, second and third years

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of being a Christian, and the questions we have and the devilish

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attacks we receive that make us think that we were never saved

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to begin with.

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Last time we talked about chosen, oh, I'm not an Israelite, I'm

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not of Jewish descent or lineage, so I'm not good enough, or I'm

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not included no matter what I do.

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And then some people will say, well, if I do enough works, I will

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be good enough.

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Those are all false.

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We're all chosen.

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The Bible tells us that through and through.

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It's not just a New Testament thing, it's included in the Old

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Testament as well.

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But it is better understood when you have seen the entire, the

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entirety of Scripture.

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I often recommend that people start in the New Testament and then

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read the Old Testament because I think things appear and I think

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there's wisdom in that recommendation.

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But if you're dedicated to reading God's word, you're going to

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see it regardless.

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So as we talk about salvation, in the early years of my walk with

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Christ as a Christian, 20, 19, 20, 21, 22, those early years,

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which really weren't that long ago, I would often see a good example

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of a Christian, and I would compare myself to them, as we so often

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do in this social media era.

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It's not that we didn't do it before, but it's much more heightened

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and pronounced now.

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And I would say, well, I'm not doing those things.

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Am I really a Christian?

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I would read certain things in God's Word about the elect and

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those sorts of things and hear teaching on the elect and think,

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maybe I'm not predestined, maybe I have no free will.

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I can talk about free will and predestination.

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Perhaps another time, but I'll sum it up with this.

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I believe it's both.

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I believe from the lens of God, it is predestination.

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He knows all things, past, future, present.

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And I believe from our perspective, it is free will that we do

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have the ability to choose Him.

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And so both of those things, I think can be true.

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And I think it also, like salvation, doesn't need to be a point of division.

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A lot of times we hear people arguing the difference between nature

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and nurture, and I think it's a worthwhile debate to have, and

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I think there's valid points to both sides of it.

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But we would all agree that we are like our parents in some regard.

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We may disagree whether that is a genetic thing or that is a nurturing

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thing that we experience throughout life.

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But for me, I grew up in a very negative home.

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Now, it was largely negative because there was divorce in my house

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at 11 years old, and things were really difficult.

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We were poor.

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My dad worked like crazy to provide for us.

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Best dad you could ever ask for.

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We wouldn't be here today, Me and my siblings wouldn't be here today if.

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If it wasn't for him.

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He took a terrible situation and made the best of it for us, not for him.

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He worked himself to death providing for us.

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But that meant a different lifestyle.

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And the destruction of the nuclear family has led to a lot of

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different lifestyles for a lot of young people that are now adults.

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And it's happened throughout multiple generations.

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And for me personally, raised up in that negative environment

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where it just seemed to be bad luck after bad luck after bad luck,

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I desperately sought opportunities for approval, as so often kids

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do with their parents and grandparents and those sorts of things.

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I even experienced this now as an adult where I try to seek approval

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on things and can be extra sensitive to that.

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I guess I get labeled in that snowflake generation.

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I think that's ridiculous, by the way.

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I don't think that that's a fair label.

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I do think there are people out there that are extra sensitive.

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But when I'm 80 years old, I'm going to be screaming at kids to

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get off my lawn.

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In 600 years, there's going to be 80 year olds screaming at kids

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to get off their lawn.

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Every generation that comes through thinks the generation after

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them is super sensitive, soft, that they have it way too easy.

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We all have that syndrome of I did it this way and that's the

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perfect way to do it.

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And now they have to do it this way. It's.

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It's a symptom of being human.

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So I don't buy into that snowflake generation.

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There are certainly people that have come out of those labeled

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generations that maybe are not contributing to society in the

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best way, and that's probably a nice way to put it.

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But to mark an entire generation is just nonsense.

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But the point is, when I was a kid and even present day, I would

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accomplish something and I would bring it to someone that I respected

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and I would seek their approval.

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Now, to be fair, I probably should have stated and should state,

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now I'm seeking your approval.

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Let's be blunt with it.

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But let me use the analogy of a little child.

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It's like a kindergartner that has this finger painting and he

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comes home and he goes to mom and says, mom, look what I did.

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And the mom looks at the finger painting and says, why did you

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choose that color?

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Or man, you've got giant mitts.

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Could you have got a bigger piece of paper?

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Could be something they perceive to be funny or they're trying

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to be funny.

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But as little statements can embed into someone and when those

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statements occur over and over and over again, it kind of lays a foundation.

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So let's say that kid turns 12 years old and now they're trusted

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to mow the lawn.

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And the first time you mow the lawn, it's going to be terrible.

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But you come inside and you're like, dad, dad, look at the lawn

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that I just did.

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Isn't it awesome?

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Were you blindfolded?

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Were you blindfolded the entire time?

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A few weeks later you're helping fix the truck and dad's got oil

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all over him.

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He says, go get the crescent wrench.

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And you come Back with a hammer or a flathead screwdriver, and

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you may not hear the end of that one.

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Some of these things can be harmless.

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Some of these can be pretty detrimental.

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And when you combine them over and over and over again, and when

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at least occasionally, that kid wants just a hug or good job every

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once in a while, you can see where this goes.

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I mentioned this today because a lot of times, and I'm gonna share

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a Mark Twain quote with you later that kind of gets it, a little

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bit of humoristic side of this.

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A lot of times we'll be growing up and we'll hit a period of 16,

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17, 18, we'll start to not want anything to do with our family.

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And then most of us will come back around age 25 to 30, and I

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think we've labeled that as fairly normal.

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But now, as I get older, I see the parent side on that, where

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you are investing into this child for 16, 18 years and now they

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want nothing to do with you.

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And how painful that can be for people.

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And being someone who likes to put the weight on his shoulders

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and say, what is my fault in this?

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How can I control the situation?

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I need to look at how I felt as the child and what I can do in

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preparation to that as an adult, understanding I'm not going to

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do it perfect, but sharing some wisdom along the way.

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So if we look at my teenage years and continually seeking approval

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and oftentimes receiving from various members, it was never one

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member of the family.

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But family grew up kind of like an Asian culture where it was

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very tough and very, very high standards and not a lot of praise.

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With that constant, you could have done this better.

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Like, I get my first job and it's 40 minutes away, and I say,

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grandpa, I got my first job.

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And he says, really?

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You couldn't have found anything that was 10 minutes away.

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So you think you're. Everything's awesome.

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I got this new job.

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I'm gonna finally start making some money and saving some stuff

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and building for a car and building for this and whatever else.

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And it's the one thing you did wrong continually, over and over again.

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Well, that happens.

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It's only human nature for the child not to want anything to do with that.

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Even as adults, if we're constantly getting a negative influx

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of information, we're not going to hang out with those people

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for very long.

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If we are, we are sinking deeper and deeper and deeper into our

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own just troublesome natures and.

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And we get to the point where perhaps we don't even Love ourselves.

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Because everything we hear about ourselves and everything we hear

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in general is from a pessimistic side of things.

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I'm not trying to go off on a tangent to say that, you know, to

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tie in with that snowflake generation, that everything needs to be compliments.

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No, when people do wrong, they need to know that they do wrong.

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But when people do right, they need to know that they do right, too.

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And when people do right, sure, there's constructive criticism,

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but it should be accompanied with, hey, you did 80% of this really good.

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Here's the 20% you didn't do great. Right?

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And a lot of times we give the 20% you didn't do great as the exclusive. Okay? So.

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And we tend to have this happen to us, and then we tend to do

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this to other people.

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So in my 20s, nobody wanted to spend any time with me because

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I was insanely pessimistic, optimistic, and constantly on everybody my fault.

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As an adult, I need to take responsibility for what I did.

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I can sit here and tell you, well, that's the way I was raised,

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and that's truth, but still my responsibility.

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I'm an adult that can make my own decisions.

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And at some point, probably around 20, 19 or a little shy of that,

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as I became a Christian, I realized this is no way to live.

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And if we refer this back to the gospel and something that I said

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last episode, if Jesus Christ paid for my sin on the cross, which

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he did, and I am saved, which I am, and that means eternity in

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heaven with him, regardless of what happens here on earth, which

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I believe it does, what do I have to be upset about?

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What do I have to be negative or pessimistic about?

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So when I'm speaking to my children, certainly I'm a teacher.

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And so even probably still too much to this day, I'm focusing

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on the teaching point, which often correlates with the negative,

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because there's room for improvement.

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But I'm making sure that I love them and I hope I'm doing a good

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job of that.

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So regardless of your age and where you are in that, let's think

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about what is happening to the people around us when we share that information.

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Because we shouldn't be surprised if we raise kids and they want

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nothing to do with us, when 90% of the conversations we had was

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how they screwed up, how they can't do anything right.

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And maybe even the parent doesn't realize that that's the perspective

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of the child.

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And it's easier to just say, snowflake generation than it is to

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actually understand what the kid's going through.

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But maybe a phone call is in store.

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Maybe we need to find out what the kid thought of the whole situation.

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You know, as humans with evolved languages, we are so stupid when

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it comes to communication.

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Every company I've ever worked for lacks in communication.

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Every friend group I've ever had lacks in communication.

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Despite the complexities of all the languages and the tools we

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have, there's always meaning in tone.

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There's always meaning in what you didn't say.

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And when we walk away from a conversation so often we're not walking

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away from the conversation, truly understanding what the other

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person's heart is, is trying to get across.

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And so if the child says, you know, mom, Dad, I don't call you

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very much anymore because I'll never be enough.

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I'll never be enough to make you happy.

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Anything I do, you're going to find something wrong with it.

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Those blunt conversations need to happen because that strikes

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at the heart of the parent and realizing, what have I done?

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What have I done?

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What have I done along the way that has got that across?

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And how can I take ownership now in the present understanding?

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I can't go back in the past to correct that, because that's not

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how I feel.

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Maybe I have a heart issue that I need to look at.

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Let me share with you a stack of verses, if you will, out of First

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Peter, chapter one.

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The verses are three through 16. So there's.

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There's quite a few of them here.

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But it relates to our salvation.

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And for me, growing up in that negative culture, it took verses

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like this to realize, despite what has gone on in my life and

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what continues to go on in my life, and even now, as a Christian,

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what continues to go on in my life?

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I'm saved. I'm saved.

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And my wife was just sharing with me a quote from some of our

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favorite people, the Robertsons.

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They have a podcast called Unashamed, and one of the members on

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it was talking about social media, and he's like, here's my stance

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on social media.

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I have one person that I follow.

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I have zero followers that follow me because I redirect them to follow him.

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And if I ever say anything, I need one like, and that's it.

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And of course, he's referring to the approval of Jesus Christ.

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So sometimes when we have people which.

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So that we can be sympathetic, empathetic ourselves and understand

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they're wretched, sinful people too.

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No person's perfect, right?

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Sometimes we enter into a church or a family.

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And we expect all roses, but we're all really in the same boat

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of having sin that removes us from God.

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But we expect perfection.

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Well, that perfection can only occur in Jesus Christ and only

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has occurred in Jesus Christ.

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So let's focus less on the approval of others, even if they are

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our family members, and the approval of Christ in our life, even

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if that means the people in your life don't understand you.

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Your relationship with Christ, because it's a very personal relationship with Christ.

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I could go on a tangent there.

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I'll pause, because the way it's written in God's Word is better

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than I could ever write it.

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So let me read from 1st Peter, chapter 1, verses 3 through 16

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Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according

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to his great mercy, has caused us to be born again to a living

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hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to

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obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and

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will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you who are protected

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by the power of God through faith, for a salvation ready to be

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revealed in the last time.

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In this you greatly rejoice, even though now, for a little while

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if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that

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the proof of your faith being more precious than gold which is

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perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result

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in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

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And through him, and through you have excuse me, and though you

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have not seen him, you love him and though you do not see him

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now, but believe in him, you greatly rejoice with joy, inexpressible

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and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of our faith, the

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salvation of your souls.

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As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace

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that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, seeking

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to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating.

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As he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow,

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it was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves

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but you, in these things which now have been announced to you

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through those who preach the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit

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sent from heaven things into which angels long to look.

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Therefore prepare your minds for action.

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Keep sober in spirit.

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Fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at

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the revelation of Jesus Christ.

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As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts

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which were yours in your ignorance.

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But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also

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in all your behavior, because it is written, you shall be holy

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for I am holy again.

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That was First Peter, chapter one, verses three through 16.

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Couldn't state it better myself.

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I will apologize for stumbling blocks that I have in this episode

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and any others.

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Lord, I ask for forgiveness in that I never want to butcher God's word.

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And it's always fun when you are recording a 30 minute episode

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or more and you get a frog in your throat.

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So I apologize about that as well.

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When you read things like that though, in God's inerrant word,

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it brings a peace.

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And that peace cannot be disrupted unless more negativity is brought

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in to make you question that.

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And that's where the Evil One comes into play.

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He sees us getting proximity or gaining proximity to the Lord

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and he starts to pick at our weaknesses and say, well, you haven't

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really ever believed you were good enough.

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Remember what grandma said?

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Remember what mom said?

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Remember what your mother in law said?

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Remember that marriage you had that didn't work out and what that

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mother in law said.

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All those things as evidence that you're not good enough.

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And like I've said before, I was told a lie by the Evil One.

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No specific person in my life, the evil one told me when I was

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11 years old that my mom left.

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That means she never loved me and that means that no one will

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ever love me.

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For those of you watching the video, I apologize about the bubble

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that just came up because I counted one with my thumb and apparently

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that means thumbs up.

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And so I got a thumbs up bubble.

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That's an inappropriate time to have a thumbs up bubble because

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that's not a good, that's not a good thing. Right.

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So let's go back through those three and we'll get another thumbs

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up bubble here, which is ironic because it's not, but nevertheless,

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here we go.

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Number one, my mom left.

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Is that a truth?

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Yeah, it's truth number two.

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That means she didn't love me. Probably not.

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But could you see how I could fall for that at 11 years old?

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I think that you could.

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Number three, that means nobody will ever love you.

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That's pretty blatant lie right there.

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But could you see how I could fall for it? Probably.

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Only if I fell for one and two would I fall for three.

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You're probably not going to go from one to three.

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You're going to need for two to be established in order for three

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to make any sort of sense.

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And that's how the Evil One works a lot of times is he tells a

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partial truth or perhaps, perhaps Even a truth that isn't telling

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the full story that leads to a partial truth or a partial lie

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that leads to a blatant lie.

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He did it in Genesis 3 with Eve, right?

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You can go back and you can read through Genesis 3.

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Surely you will not die.

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And he goes from there, right?

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Was that technically a lie?

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No, but it wasn't the full truth either.

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And so, thankfully, in maturity, as, as a Christian, I recognize

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those things more and more and more.

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And as I read God's Word and those lies creep in, recognizing

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their nature, God's word stands tall.

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God's word doesn't lie like that.

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God doesn't operate like that.

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Bible tells us God can't lie.

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It's not in his nature.

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He is love.

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And so it makes it easier for us to understand those things.

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So I speak to a few brothers that are out there and they're reading

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through God's Word and they're struggling.

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Do the best you can to put on the armor of God and deflect those

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and recognize those lies because they are in fact lies.

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And to those people and others listening, I would say make sure

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you have people discipling you and surround yourself with positive

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people who love God that are pouring into you, not beating you up.

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And if we are the person that's doing the beating, stop and let's

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love each other better.

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This all comes from an application that is the same as last episode.

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God has placed on my heart the good news of Jesus Christ.

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I need to share the gospel more.

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This whole podcast is built as the notes I leave to share things

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for my kids, to share things for you to share things to my future

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self, to have things available long after I'm gone, whenever that might be.

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And what better episodes to have than what I've learned about

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the gospel and what I've learned about salvation.

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So let's not dwell in negativity.

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And again, as I said last time, how can there be any negative?

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If I truly believe that my sins are forgiven and that Jesus Christ

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serves as my advocate so that I'm justified, just as if I never

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ever sinned or ever will sin, how could there be bad news?

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How could I be negative?

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How could I not want to share that with others?

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And for those of you that listening, that perhaps I've shared

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this information with too much. That's why. That's why.

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So as we transition to this Members Only segment, I'd like to

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share with you that Mark Twain quote, ask you a question and sign off.

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Here's the quote.

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When I was a boy of 14.

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My father was so ignorant, I could hardly stand to have the old man around.

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But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old

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man had learned in seven years.

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Obviously there's some comedy there.

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Apologize. Been fighting that frog in my throat for a few minutes

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now, but obviously there's some humor in that.

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I felt the same way.

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Did my dad become more intelligent in seven years? No.

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I became less stupid, essentially.

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And a lot of us go through that.

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And some of this is normal, and some of this is being overbearing

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and pushing people away from us.

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And as parents, those of you that are parents, we need to recognize this.

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So my question for you then is pretty simple.

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How can we be more positive and additive to the walk our brothers

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and sisters are enduring?

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That sounds like a statement.

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More to just people that are our peers, that are our same age.

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But it isn't.

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In heaven, we're all brothers and sisters.

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So my daughter will stand right alongside me as a sister.

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My father will stand right alongside me as a brother.

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So for my brothers and sisters on the earth, there's that thumbs up again.

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How can I be more positive and additive to their walk, not negative

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and removing or detrimental to their walk?

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Why would I do such a thing?

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So how can we do that?

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If you go to biblicalanatomyacademy.com click on podcast Support

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the podcast you can access through our membership the second half

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of each of these episodes.

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With that, I'm going to sign off and then transition to that.

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I love you very much.

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I'd love to pray for you.

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Feel free to email me@danielerebaa.com and my family, and I'd

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love to pray for you.

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And God bless.

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Until next time.

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May the peace of Christ dwell richly in you.

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And may I also express maranantha, which is an Aramaic word translating

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to come, Lord Jesus.

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The Notes I Leave 📝 is a podcast from a father, teacher, and disciple seeking discernment in God’s Word. Produced by Biblical Anatomy Academy, this podcast shares reflections, revelations, and lessons learned on the path paved by God and stumbled by man.